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top stories at ten pm from moscow europe makes an internet piracy pact walk the plank projecting the agreement which could have allowed big corporations and president in power to sense of the web. for of words of dispute over law allowing russians to be used in ukraine sees riot police tackle angry crowds in kiev. and finding the minute matter that gave us all this scientists claim they finally discovered be elusive dog particle researches of the higgs boson decades it's like . i'm kevin i see moscow hounding about no two our washington studios again with the alone a show the next day which tonight takes on the growing surveillance culture and increasing secrecy in the united states.
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welcome to the initial we'll get the real headlines with none of the mercy we're going live to washington d.c. now we've got a great show for you tonight with an all star list of guests first going green while joins us to discuss the growing its surveillance state and compare that to of course the growing secrecy of the state itself then chris hedges joins us to talk about his latest book in which he argues that corporate capitalism will quite literally kill us all and artie's abby martin is going to fill us in on the ground report from philadelphia where there's a national occupy gatherings we'll have all of that and more if you tonight including it is of happy hour but first take a look at the mainstream media decided to miss.
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arias so today there is a specific story that the mainstream media is covering but i'd like to point out it's got a little taste of everything that a scandal needs. mairi not everything right there still has a bit of a sexual element this is merged as far as i'm concerned but there's definitely corruption and there is a massive fall from grace. well if you ever wished you could say interest rates with the snap of your fingers well there's a job opening please to actually barclays boss bob diamond is stepping down their c.e.o. resigned yesterday because the big bank was accused of fixing during the height of the financial crisis fallout from the market rigging scandal continues as barclays loses its top executives in as many days what this bank is accused of doing carol is manipulating these rates admitting lower than actual figures on its interbank borrowing during the financial crisis vowing to pressure just a week after regulators find the bank a record four hundred fifty million dollars for lying about their lending rates
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c.e.o. bob diamond resigned tuesday after the bank admitted that some of its traders attempted to manipulate the market and this isn't the only bank regulators are also looking at more than a dozen other banks and those include citi group u.b.s. and r.b.s. the bank admits. manipulated what's called the live war the london interbank offered rate i think it leaves the same impression to average americans which is you know what wall street's make and playing by its own set of. now the truth is that seeing a c.e.o. resign that's a pretty big deal because it is such a rarity despite the rampant corruption we've seen the brought the world's economy to its knees i just can't bear maybe bob diamond to i don't know say jamie diamond well the situations might be a little bit different i think we all still remember and courage and we think about the major as kissing was witnessed when diamond testified on the hill about the london whale trade lost more than two billion dollars no stepping down there that's for sure but the thing is that while the mainstream media may say this would give
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people the impression that wall street is playing by its own rules they still treat every one of these incidents as mutually exclusive as if we don't have actual facts to prove to us the wall street is playing by its own rules it's not just an impression that we get there is a new headline that the out there every single day just today aside from the barclays debacle we have the following from bloomberg morgan stanley successfully push standard and poor's and moody's investors service to give unwarranted investment grade ratings in two thousand and six to twenty three billion dollars worth of notes that face of prime mortgages that's what investors are claiming or from the new york times former brokers say that j.p. morgan favored selling banks' own funds over others all of that lovely now you could say that hey at least the new york times bloomberg are out there covering it and yes they are reporting on the stories but again often as just individual stories individual bubbles they don't make the connection bring up failed attempts at wall street reform or the fact that nobody at the top is criminally been held to
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account or some of the reasons as to why that's the case like our entire government has been bought off by the banks or members of congress to even the president another big tidbit of information out there to prove it to you today according to a new report. in the center for responsive politics president obama is still raking in the dough on the form of campaign donations from wall street this fight all that talk about how he's unfriendly to business now the obama campaign and the d.n.c. have raised more than fourteen million dollars from the securities and investment industry just through the end of april of this year and i'm sure that might be less than mitt romney's raising it might be less than they raise in two thousand and eight before thousand million dollars is not chump change so the next time you see another headline of more corruption collusion theft coming from wall street and you ask why nothing has been done to really counter it to really regulate it not just have a c.e.o. or a c.e.o. step down i think that you can thank the mainstream media for their role and not
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putting the pressure on for not connecting all the dots and instead choosing to miss. well this monday twitter released its first ever transparency report and revealed that just in the first six months of two thousand and twelve they received more demands from governments for user data than they did all of last year and surprise surprise the united states made up the majority of those eight hundred forty nine requests with a whopping six hundred and seventy nine a far second was japan with ninety eight request now twitter also revealed that it complied with seventy five percent of user data demands that wouldn't that have been requested by u.s. authorities now to add to that a new york judge just this week order twitter to hand over tweets and account information from malcolm harris he's an occupier who was arrested on the brooklyn bridge last year and he's also been a guest on this program to all of this is just more evidence of
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a growing surveillance state where governments want to get their hands on as much of your information and communications as they can and usually this is all in the name of fighting terrorism fighting crime but what's at risk here is your privacy so do we just a. it is inevitable that we resign do we give all that information up or is there still a way to fight big brother joining me to discuss this is glenn greenwald the line columnist and author of the book with liberty and justice for some how the law's used to destroy equality and protect the powerful glenn thanks for joining us tonight and let me think of where we start mean if you ask me it's pretty undeniable these days that we really do live in a surveillance state but as you mentioned before a lot of people out there will come at it with the attitude or with the argument that if they have nothing to hide then what are they really care that information is being monitored so how do you how do you counter something like that how do you tell people that that's not the right way to look at it. first of all there's the earth zero question that we live in
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a surveillance state of matter how one understands that term and i think it's important to answer your question to emphasize just how extensive it is according to the washington post and its two thousand and ten top series america top secret america series the national security agency collects one point seven billion in mails and telephone calls and stores them every single day that's every day one point seven billion e-mails and telephone calls william binney who is a long time official in the national security agency and resigned in protest of its focus on domestic spying after nine eleven recently said in an interview that the n.s.a. has stored twenty trillion transactions communication transactions between and among americans so there really is virtually no communication that exist any longer between americans electronically or telephonically that's beyond the reach of the n.s.a. and all you have to do is look at the history of how surveillance states have used the information that they gather to control their citizenry to blackmail to
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suppress all forms of dissent in the iron curtain that was the mode of choice and in america we have our own history with the f.b.i. running wild with surveillance and punishing dissidents and that's the danger that we face. but so back to my original question right is that people are going to say that that's no big deal i don't really have anything to hide so go ahead and monitor away look in my emails whatever you want i'm not a criminal but you know i think that your privacy is still important so how do you make that clear to them. well first of all people who do say that i don't think really mean it and one way that you can prove to them that they don't mean it is to ask them whether or not you would they would give you all of their passwords to all of their social networking accounts and e-mails so that you could monitor everything and read everything that they're saying whether or not you would allow them to they would they would allow you to put a device on their telephone to listen to their telephone conversations and put a television camera in their bedroom and in their bathroom and in their home and in
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their office to monitor everything with they're doing a record everything that they're doing most people would react as though that were repellent requests because intuitively we understand that privacy is very important and i think the real reason that privacy is important and your question suggested it's a hard value to articulate and it is but i think that the real reason why people intuitively know that privacy is so crucial is because it's when it's only when we are able to do things without external judgment being cast upon us without external eyes watching are we able to experiment with new forms of thought and behavior to explore the realms of dissent to question and challenge orthodoxy it's only when we don't fear that people will be judging us and condemning us are we really free to do things beyond just what conformity requires it's really the area in which dissent and creativity and exploration reside and when you take away privacy both at a state and societal level or an individual level what you're really doing is destroying
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that crucial human opportunity to be able to on one's own away from the prying eyes of others decide for oneself who what what one is who one wants to be what one wants to think about and you really subject yourself to this monitoring that forces you into a box of conformity and it's destructive on the societal level and on the individual level as well so how do you look at the fact that the government often uses that exact same argument you can say as the individual and as right as they if they want to develop new technologies if they want to make certain breakthroughs maybe. in diplomacy if the cia needs to go out there and do something and crime then it has to be done with a veil of secrecy over it's for our national security purposes they'll say it's to keep you safe so. they pay they these days act like like they're us right. well one of you know one of the crucial things to emphasize is that you know the way that government is supposed to work if you look at political science theory or you look at what the american founders said it's supposed to be the exact reverse
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of the way we have it so government people in power are supposed to act with complete transparency we are always supposed to see what it is that they're doing except in very rare cases and the individual is supposed to be able to live our lives surrounded by a wall of privacy without people knowing what we're doing unless there's evidence that we're committing a crime and what we've done is completely reverse that so while the government knows everything about what we're doing and what we're saying we know virtually nothing about what they're saying and it's this imbalance this power imbalance that is really so dangerous that's the the framework the dynamic which every totalitarian state uses to control the population and protect their own power in this national security excuse is something that i think everybody realizes the pretext if you go back and look at what the nixon administration said what anyone who has ever abused secrecy powers always said it's always been this idea well don't worry trust us because we're only doing this for your own good and all the
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evidence shows that when ever people human beings are able to spy on other people and eavesdrop on them in the dark in secrecy with no one watching over their shoulder no oversight inevitably not usually or probably but inevitably that power is severely abused and that's what happened in every single case where we've been able to discover what was being done. do you think that with the internet we're in a bit of a catch twenty two because on one hand it's made it so much easier for people to communicate to get social movements going right to access certain information but then because of that because of our dependence on the internet then the government is taking advantage of it but you know is it is it in inevitable thing that they will try to control and monitor all of that or could perhaps some of the private companies the googles the facebook's out there really not collude with the government so much and stand up for us and you know encounter that. it's a great question to me that's one of the primary questions that you are three most important questions that we face you know the internet is is this this force for
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great good that promises to democratize societies too and they will mass movements to be able to join together to communicate with one another we saw this in the arab spring and at the same time it is true and you ask is it inevitable that governments will try and monitor and control it of course it's inevitable that they'll try every power vacuum in history that has been threatened by a new technology which is what the internet is has sought to control or die if you use it and so the question then becomes well how can those efforts be defeated and i think that there are some encouraging signs from some technology companies twitter in particular is quite good at objecting in trying to protect the privacy of their users google has some good in some bad cases where where they have done both sides but i think more interestingly there are efforts underway to develop technology to shield the internet from governments and intelligence agencies ways to put a shield of anonymity over what you do on the internet things like the tor project
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and then other projects designed to basically send internet communications multiple times around the world so that no governments like china or iran that want to censor the internet can do so with this technology because they don't know where it's originating and no countries whether it be in the united states or others that want to monitor the internet would be able to do so either this is the real battle between these kind of efforts to create in the media on the internet and governments that want to stay a step ahead that is a really important war being waged in terms of whether the internet will be a weapon for good or bad guy and i battle it is right like you said out there some of these tools out there that you can use but they take a lot of work and are to find them now last thing i want to talk about as we do a lot of media critique here on this program if you ask me it's often frustrating because if you like the mainstream media the cable networks especially they seem pretty apathetic about this staff at time. even veer into kind of sounds like mockery especially if you want to look at the relationship that they have with wiki leaks the way that they approach wiki leaks and julian assigns but are we sometimes
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too hard on them you know i mean is it such a thing where they just are completely subservient to establishment or is there maybe an element of fear there too and if you're on t.v. then everything you're doing is being recorded than monitored right so you know does that have does that play into the type of coverage at all. who are certainly there's a great deal of cowardice that drives the established media but i don't think that's much of an excuse in the sense that if you go into journalism you're really undertaking the duty to be adversarial to those in power that's what journalism is intended to do that's why there's a first amendment that guarantees a free press you know i used to be someone who thought that critiquing the establishment media by pressuring them and coercing them by shaming them that you could actually change their behavior in a significant way i think you can change the behavior in an isolated cases but what's important understand is the established media by its very nature are owned by large corporations that have extremely close relationship with the government
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there are people who whose careers depend upon gaining access into and leaks from another favors from people who are in government power the nature of the institution is designed to basically be a mouthpiece for the world where the you can't wait around hoping that they're going to change their colors it's in demick to what they are and so i think the much better alternative is to do what you're doing while lots of other people are doing which is using technology to create alternatives to compete with and the power of the internet the power of multiple cable channels and the like means that they no longer monopolize or just course and there's lots of other places that people can go and how do you go to get alternative perspectives and viewpoints and real adversarial journalism and i think it's that competition that is a much more effective antidote to solving this problem then sitting around hoping that this leopard is going to change its spots that it never will yeah definitely something we need more of is to actively counter it glenn thanks so much for
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joining us tonight. thanks for having me. i will try to take our first break we have another special guest for you tonight capitalism is the hand that feeds that you might want to buy it at that point strangles you chris hedges can explain why it's a subject of his new book david destruction from home that's next. well see british. it's not on. the. market why not.
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find out what's really happening to the global economy is a report on our. corporate capitalism will quite literally kill us that's our guest tonight argues in his latest book by traveling to and documenting life and the destruction of it and so-called sacrifice and this includes the pine ridge reservation in south dakota the city of camden new jersey now leveled off mountains of west virginia and the migrant worker camps resemble modern day and modern day slavery in southwest florida so why are these sacrifices songs because both human beings and the natural world have been used then discarded all to maximize earnings in a marketplace the rules without constraints now perhaps even the most shocking in your face example they seem like extremes but should they be used as a warning sign as to where the rest of the country and the world are headed or can it still be stopped joining me to discuss this is chris hedges pulitzer prize winning reporter and senior fellow at the nation institute and author of the new
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book days of destruction days of revolt chris thanks for joining us tonight and i started there with when your lines from the book about how corporate capitalism will quite literally kill us some people out there might say that that's a little dramatic why are they wrong. well unfettered unregulated capitalism is as karl marx understood a revolutionary force it knows no limits it commodifies everything human beings become commodities the natural world becomes a commodity that it then exploits until exhaustion or collapse and for that reason once regulations and controls legal controls are lifted which is what's happened there is built within this force a kind of self annihilate quality and we see that with climate change that's why the environmental crisis is intimately twinned with the economic crisis the only words they know is more ever they serve quarterly profits that if if that means
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they trash the ecosystem on which the human species depends for a life if that means that they hollow out our countries as they are currently to create a global neo feudalism a world of masters and serves a world where with the working class in order to be competitive has to be competitive with prison labor in china or sweatshop workers in bangladesh who who make twenty two cents an hour that is what not only what they will do that is what they are doing so we went to those places where everything everybody the environment the legal system was made to kneel before the marketplace because that's they started with them and now they're they're moving on for us well it's you know it's really heartbreaking and it's devastating to read about these locations that you went to about how the feeling that most americans probably have no idea what it's like or they have no idea that it's that bad think you turn on t.v. you're watching a reality show you're just seeing a lot of excess thrown in your face right so so why is that why are these the kind
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of places that we like to ignore or maybe deliberately hide away. well i mean let's lay this at the feet of where it belongs and that is a corporate media system which is all about general. profit and ratings are not about imparting news they don't do journalism anymore they do news news is judged for its entertainment value solely it's why we have lead into celebrity gossip as a species of news or the tawdry or the salacious or you know and that that's true on the left in the right m s n b c is as guilty of this as fox news they are centrally courtiers they spin cord gossip in different directions but it's the same and manatees it's mitt romney's horse or tom cruise's divorce or newt gingrich's moon colonies it's very hard to keep up and those who are rendered destitute and we're talking now significant portions of the united states now are invisible and
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that's why i did the book with a graphic illustrator joe sako who does this long form journalism and then draws it out of books like palestine safe area garage footnotes and gaza because the goal of the book was not only tell the stories but to make these people visible and at certain points in the book it actually flips and comic panels which give a filmic quality to people's life and can show visually the kind of devastation that we reported from we are just seen in the last few weeks this march of unfettered capitalism continue this assault against the working class the refusal to extend unemployment benefits for hundreds of thousands of american citizens which means that many of them will lose their homes go into bankruptcy the supreme court decision to severely weakened public sector unions the refusal to fund the
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food stamp program and remember member one in three children in this country now depend on food stamps to eat they there's nothing left there's nothing left within the formal mechanisms of power to protect us and that's why what's how. and in these sacrifices is so important because as we reconfigure american society into an all of the only three or four percent a managerial elite of about twelve percent and then the rest of us are hanging on by our fingertips this by the way is how totalitarian societies can figure they're a con amaze it's exactly what george orwell wrote about in one thousand nine hundred four with most of the population being termed proles that's right that's right since you brought it up to want to get your take on the health care ruling from the supreme court you know i feel like so quickly the conversation maybe was never even at that level to begin with but it just seemed like if digress to a discussion over semantics and which politician wants to call it
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a penalty an r.f.p. or a tax and we forgot about the fact that our health care system is still far from being fixed or error working properly. well look the the so-called obamacare and this is a perfect example of a sterile and empty debate this whole program was cooked up on the heritage foundation it was first put into practice in two thousand and six by then governor mitt romney they took that massachusetts plan the pharmaceutical and insurance lobbyists authored two thousand pages of the bill included four hundred forty seven billion dollars in subsidies for the pharmaceutical and insurance industry the equivalent of the bank bailout bill for those industries they can still raise but they are as anybody who has private insurance as i do will tell you they are jacking up premiums almost monthly they can raise co-payments there's no protection if you get chronic chronic or severe illness if you can't pay those premiums you're
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out that's why a million people a year in this country go bankrupt eighty percent of those people by the way had insurance and yet you know we have this debate that there is no difference between romney care and obamacare it's all a carnival act it's political theater and you know it doesn't matter which piece of legislation you're talking about corporations write it they write the laws they write the rules as a two tiered system there's one system for them and there's another system for the rest of us they are criminalizing dissent as glenn greenwald just laid out and they are criminalizing or they're legalizing their own criminal activity in fraud and that's why nobody on wall street except for bernie made off and that's because he stole from rich people has gone to jail i mean it's just it's absolutely transparent and yet we're just a walk in this very powerful system of corporate propaganda i mean the airwaves are
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just filled with lies. and lies let me just you know for timing fake to interrupt you there and transparent on one thing. and the fact that i think that we're finally starting to diagnose them of these issues it's gotten to the point where you can't just ignore it anymore it's become pretty in your face but then what's interesting about this and you write about this too you bring up on iran is that rather than in the past where you might have a vicious leader right just a dictator a face that you can put on it the corporate leadership is not to say that they're faceless right these are people we know there are an invisible kind of power that's working in the background and so how do you actually counter something like that you know you point to the occupy movement you seem pretty hopeful about it but in order to really really counter the corporatization of america you need a revolution. well you need a mass movement all the correctives to american democracy came about through mass movements not through you know the leaders they were pressured to respond the last
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liberal president we had in this country was richard nixon not because he was a liberal because he was frightened of movement it was a great scene in kissinger's memoirs please don't go by the book where the white house is surrounded by buses huge any war demonstration they have seventy one and nixon and kissinger stand in the window and nixon is going henry henry they're going to they're going to break through the barricades and get us well that's precisely where you want power people empowered to be and are were broken in the name of any communism. or liberal it was disembowelled we were sensibly left defenseless and that's why i have been a supporter of the occupy movement because i think it's only through movements that we're going to regain any kind of power and begin to push back against this system and if we don't then we are going to live in what sheldon will and calls kind of inverted totalitarianism a kind of corporate fascism which is not classical fascism partly for the reasons
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you pointed out because it's faceless. what we're going to find out more about what the occupy movement is actually doing as they gather in philadelphia next but in the meantime chris thank you so much for joining us tonight and great book ever not theirs. thank you. our guys it's time for another quick break but don't go anywhere find out why we gave the n.y.p.d. and its tool time toward an occupied focused on family this week as they organize a national gathering soltys speaking with archy's abby martin was there.

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